[aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been
updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the
particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining
the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package.
Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given,

You have, on the same day, posted four requests
(PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138)
each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.'
- instead of anything useful.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote.

You're greatly misrepresenting this case.
If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you -
considering all of your 'high quality' requests,
and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive
comments on some of the packages in question - namely
'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected
your request out of spite or something.

The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to
my closure of your requests.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
"come back with a better request, my dude"
So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied,

Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL'
is not a good, or even appropriate, request either.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned
about anything I may have done wrong

Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th,
that'll be one week since i suspended you.

Please think about the requests you post in the future,
and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs.

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shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 01:43:42 UTC

Post by Robin Broda via aur-general

I’m sorry you mistaken my humor for disrespect, it wasn’t meant to be taken
that way.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Robin Broda via aur-general <

You have, on the same day, posted four requests
(PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138)
each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.'
- instead of anything useful.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote.

You're greatly misrepresenting this case.
If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you -
considering all of your 'high quality' requests,
and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive
comments on some of the packages in question - namely
'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected
your request out of spite or something.
The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to
my closure of your requests.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
"come back with a better request, my dude"
So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied,

Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL'
is not a good, or even appropriate, request either.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned
about anything I may have done wrong

Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th,
that'll be one week since i suspended you.
Please think about the requests you post in the future,
and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs.
--
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shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 02:09:30 UTC

Post by Robin Broda via aur-general

This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the
suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this
"political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the
very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the
impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and
humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and
resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic
decision.

You have, on the same day, posted four requests
(PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138)
each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.'
- instead of anything useful.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote.

You're greatly misrepresenting this case.
If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you -
considering all of your 'high quality' requests,
and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive
comments on some of the packages in question - namely
'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected
your request out of spite or something.
The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to
my closure of your requests.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
"come back with a better request, my dude"
So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied,

Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL'
is not a good, or even appropriate, request either.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned
about anything I may have done wrong

Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th,
that'll be one week since i suspended you.
Please think about the requests you post in the future,
and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs.
--
Rob (coderobe)
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Mark Weiman

2018-11-04 02:34:38 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the
suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this
"political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the
very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the
impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and
humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and
resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic
decision.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with
the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were
denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.

The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as
well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the
ones listed and just deny them.

You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite
reasonable.

Mark

Jason Ryan via aur-general

2018-11-04 02:43:03 UTC

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with
the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were
denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.
The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as
well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the
ones listed and just deny them.
You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite
reasonable.

Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and
temporary bans, I would describe it as âunduly charitableâ.

/J

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shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 02:49:53 UTC

Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being
rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload.
I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by
misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general <

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with
the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were
denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.
The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as
well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the
ones listed and just deny them.
You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite
reasonable.

Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and
temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”.
/J
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http://jasonwryan.com/
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Mark Weiman

2018-11-04 02:57:39 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being
rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload.
I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by
misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

Please bottom post on these mailing lists as per the rules on the Wiki.

You can argue all you want. The reason your requests were rejected is
that the TU that handled your requests just simply did not see it fit
to accept them. That's all the reason they need. You spamming requests
of a similar nature just will not help.

I also think that if your "humor" is what's causing issues here, you
should refrain from it.

Mark

Jason Ryan via aur-general

2018-11-04 02:58:10 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of âmisunderstandingsâ that saw you create an alt account
after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.

Trust me: we understand you well enough.

/J

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Eric Waller via aur-general

2018-11-04 03:56:43 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of âmisunderstandingsâ that saw you create an alt account
after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.
Trust me: we understand you well enough.
/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my
activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things
out of the public view.

In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that
Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more
than one occasion against this individual that were not mere
misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the
forums having crossed several of the moderators.

Eric Waller
(ewaller)

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 04:07:46 UTC

Post by Eric Waller via aur-general

Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the
past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like
mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of
"sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago.

I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop
a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been
using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing
completely.

I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents,
because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years
ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot
of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of
my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found
out it was me.

If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have
contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for
sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account
after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.
Trust me: we understand you well enough.
/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my
activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things
out of the public view.
In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that
Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more
than one occasion against this individual that were not mere
misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the
forums having crossed several of the moderators.
Eric Waller
(ewaller)

Eric Waller via aur-general

2018-11-04 04:26:25 UTC

Post by Eric Waller via aur-general

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the
past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like
mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of
"sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago.
I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop
a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been
using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing
completely.
I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents,
because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years
ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot
of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of
my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found
out it was me.
If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have
contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for
sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of âmisunderstandingsâ that saw you create an alt account
after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.
Trust me: we understand you well enough.
/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my
activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things
out of the public view.
In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that
Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more
than one occasion against this individual that were not mere
misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the
forums having crossed several of the moderators.
Eric Waller
(ewaller)

Allow me to point out that, after your original account was banned, you
also choose attempt to circumvent the ban by, against the forum's
standards, creating a new account which we also had to ban. Here I
refer to https://bbs.archlinux.org/profile.php?id=107806
Note the github link in the signature.

Also, please do not top post.

Eric Waller

Eric Waller via aur-general

2018-11-04 04:31:38 UTC

Post by Eric Waller via aur-general

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of âmisunderstandingsâ that saw you create an alt account
after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.
Trust me: we understand you well enough.
/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my
activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things
out of the public view.
In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that
Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more
than one occasion against this individual that were not mere
misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the
forums having crossed several of the moderators.
Eric Waller
(ewaller)

I just realized the link in my last email was not public. It is a link
to a user called TyranT. That user has a link in their signature:
https://github.com/shoober420

Sorry about that.

Eric

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 05:19:45 UTC

I'm not debating against those incidents, but pointing out that they
should NOT be glamorized, and portray me as bad. They shouldn't
foreshadow and undermine all the good I have done. What I'm saying
here is that all my contribution heavily outweighs all these
incidents, and some incidents being wrongly assumed because of my past
as being a "help vampire".

Towards the end, I did most definitely go to the wiki, google, and
look at man pages and didn't find clear answers. Although because of
my past, they were automatically viewed and labeled as "help vampiric"
because of my ealier postings when I first started using Arch. A clear
example, in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the
"sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when
I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg
package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question.

If you really want to try and belittle me for these incidents, instead
of remember me for the good I have done, what does that say about you?
I essentially paved the way for the "libudev0-shim" package, which was
created by a Gentoo user who I was speaking with in that GitHub issue,
that is now part of the Arch OFFICIAL repository. But you're going to
sit here and and bring forth all these "bad" things I've done, and
down right say things like I'm "persona non grata"?

Whatever dude.

Ian Douglas Scott

2018-11-04 06:43:22 UTC

Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45)

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the
"sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when
I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg
package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question.

I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't
trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not
to accept the orphan request.

Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer
and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment
by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago,
the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you).

I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you
should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person
reviewing the request had no way of knowing that.

Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history
on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the
package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at
the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned.

The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason,
but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as
you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 07:55:27 UTC

Alright, so lets compare the current sdl2 package in the official
repos, to the one in the AUR. I did indeed try to contact the
"sdl2-hg" maintainer over half a year ago, who also maintains the
"lib32-sdl2-hg" package, with no response. I flagged "lib32-sdl2-hg"
over half a year ago, and that package is also maintained by the same
person who does "sdl2-hg".

I'm not trying to sound disrespectful, but common sense tells you,
that if you compared the two packages, the AUR one is seriously
outdated. Also, taking into account the comment from "Teteros on
2018-10-14 16:41", further confirming how outdated it is, and the
author continuing to not address or response, makes it even more clear
why it was flagged outdated. I just figured common sense would have
shown why it was flagged by me, especcially my comment along with it,
stating I have a PKGBUILD ready for upload.

Post by Ian Douglas Scott
Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45)

I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't
trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not
to accept the orphan request.
Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer
and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment
by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago,
the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you).
I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you
should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person
reviewing the request had no way of knowing that.
Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history
on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the
package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at
the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned.
The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason,
but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as
you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 08:02:04 UTC

This also further shows why it was illogical to deny my request in the
first place. There were so many signs as to why it was flagged, and
further reasons to just give me maintainership. And STILL there is no
reason why this maintainership was denied.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
Alright, so lets compare the current sdl2 package in the official
repos, to the one in the AUR. I did indeed try to contact the
"sdl2-hg" maintainer over half a year ago, who also maintains the
"lib32-sdl2-hg" package, with no response. I flagged "lib32-sdl2-hg"
over half a year ago, and that package is also maintained by the same
person who does "sdl2-hg".
I'm not trying to sound disrespectful, but common sense tells you,
that if you compared the two packages, the AUR one is seriously
outdated. Also, taking into account the comment from "Teteros on
2018-10-14 16:41", further confirming how outdated it is, and the
author continuing to not address or response, makes it even more clear
why it was flagged outdated. I just figured common sense would have
shown why it was flagged by me, especcially my comment along with it,
stating I have a PKGBUILD ready for upload.

Post by Ian Douglas Scott
Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45)

I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't
trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not
to accept the orphan request.
Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer
and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment
by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago,
the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you).
I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you
should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person
reviewing the request had no way of knowing that.
Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history
on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the
package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at
the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned.
The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason,
but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as
you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 08:14:41 UTC

There were so many ways, you could have went about this, that would
have resolved this, instead of denying my request, and not giving a
reason. If you would have discussed this with me, instead of just
denying my request and suspending my account, you would have figured
out I did actually try to contact him a long time ago.

And as I said before, the comment from "Teteros on 2018-10-14 16:41",
which is over two weeks ago, further proves that the package needed
maintainership, and was outdated. I felt because of the comment from
"Teteros", the fact I flagged the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package over half a
year ago who is maintained by this same person who has gone missing,
and just plain common sense by comparing the sdl2 package from the
official repos, one would automaticlaly assume, "hey, this dude is
right, it is outdated and he even has a PKGBUILD ready to upload".

Seriously guys...

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 03:03:22 UTC

I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam.
Here’s a fine example.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863

This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and
debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this
community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of
all the supposed bad things I’ve done.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with
the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were
denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.
The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as
well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the
ones listed and just deny them.
You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite
reasonable.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 03:09:22 UTC

That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_fault_when_disabling_runtime

Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I
do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and
debug, or just moderate the forums?

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam.
Here’s a fine example.
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863
This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and
debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this
community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of
all the supposed bad things I’ve done.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with
the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were
denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.
The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as
well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the
ones listed and just deny them.
You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite
reasonable.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 03:13:48 UTC

I did indeed try to contact the maintainer of sdl2-hg about half a
year ago, and I also did comment in comment section that I do indeed
have a PKGBUILD ready. I promise you I did this for "sdl2-hg". My
fault for bottom posting, I was on my phone.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_fault_when_disabling_runtime
Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I
do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and
debug, or just moderate the forums?

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with
the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were
denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.
The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as
well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the
ones listed and just deny them.
You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite
reasonable.

Mark Weiman

2018-11-04 03:18:43 UTC

He gives his time in different ways and it is valuable. Honestly, I
don't care that you filed a bug for Steam and there's many people here
who don't either.

The argument that "because I do certain work, this gives me the right
to put down other people since I think their work is less valuable" is
just going to alienate you further.

This would be like me telling you that because I contributed code
straight to pacman itself makes me more valuable to the community than
your silly little bug report.

M

Mr.Elendig

2018-11-04 09:56:28 UTC

Something something <insert meme pic of irony here> stuff and things.

If you believe you are so important to the arch community then I would
suggest acting like it. You are, in my eyes anyway, coming across as
someone who are much more *self* important than important to the
community. Show your worth with actions, not with words.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 06:37:37 UTC

I already did. I showed an example of how I contributed, and I already have
two packages I was able to update and maintain. There would have been many
more if I wasn't suspended for no good reason.

You blindly assuming I didn't contact the maintainer, then denying my
request TWICE, not giving a reason TWICE, instead of actually discussing it
with me why you denied my maintainership is not actually a reason to deny
my request. Since you didn't explicitly claim why you denied it, having two
times to do so, taunting me to request it again, technically is no reason
to deny someones request.

Not only was no reason given to denying my request to maintain sdl2-hg, you
gave no reason for suspending my account. FYI, "sdl2-hg" and
"lib32-sdl2-hg" were both maintained by the same guy, so if you just handed
over maintainership to me for "lib32-sdl2-hg" in a blink of an eye, there's
no reason to do the same for "sdl2-hg", considering it was the same
maintainer, and all the reasons I mentioned before, especcially the comment
from "Teteros".

This all in all, is completely unprofessional, and for some of you to judge
me and my actions...maybe you all should look at yourselfs before even
considering judging me.

Sorry if this double posted, my gmail is glitching out.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 06:43:20 UTC

Also don't try and turn this into me wanted praise and being
over-infatuated with myself. If you actually read the whole discussion, I
only mentioned my achievements because I was being attacked and trying to
be made out to be a bad person by Jason and others, justifying unproper
treatment in their eyes, and ignoring all the good I have done, which far
outweighs any "help vampiring", trust me.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 07:09:37 UTC

So Mr.Elenig, you trying to belittle me and discredit me, further proves
Mark's point he made ealier that you can't place people having more
importance than others (something I also wasn't doing), since we all are
important to Arch, and Linux as a whole. You don't know all I've done, so
you can't just assume I haven't done anything, or am looking for praise,
since you would know that's not the case if you fully read this whole
discussion.

Mr.Elendig

2018-11-04 11:46:29 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
So Mr.Elenig, you trying to belittle me and discredit me, further
proves Mark's point he made ealier that you can't place people having
more importance than others (something I also wasn't doing), since we
all are important to Arch, and Linux as a whole. You don't know all
I've done, so you can't just assume I haven't done anything, or am
looking for praise, since you would know that's not the case if you
fully read this whole discussion.

You are misreading my mail, and I'm not trying to belittle and discredit
you, let me explain:

Showing with action doesn't mean reiterating that you have contributed
before. A good way to do it would be to calm down, go outside and do
something for a while. And then when the suspension have timed out you
could make a new request where you explain the problem with the package
and why you should be allowed to take over. Write it more like your bug
report to valve and with less of the "humor".

Jelle van der Waa

2018-11-04 11:32:27 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I already did. I showed an example of how I contributed, and I already have
two packages I was able to update and maintain. There would have been many
more if I wasn't suspended for no good reason.

The reason was given here already, i.e. making (seemingly) bogus
requests. I guess marking inactive should also ask for a reason in the
future and mail that to the inactivee. That's something which I believe
does not exists yet.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
You blindly assuming I didn't contact the maintainer, then denying my
request TWICE, not giving a reason TWICE, instead of actually discussing it
with me why you denied my maintainership is not actually a reason to deny
my request. Since you didn't explicitly claim why you denied it, having two
times to do so, taunting me to request it again, technically is no reason
to deny someones request.

As said before, it's common to first flag it out of date, wait for
results and then orphan it.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
Not only was no reason given to denying my request to maintain sdl2-hg, you
gave no reason for suspending my account. FYI, "sdl2-hg" and
"lib32-sdl2-hg" were both maintained by the same guy, so if you just handed
over maintainership to me for "lib32-sdl2-hg" in a blink of an eye, there's
no reason to do the same for "sdl2-hg", considering it was the same
maintainer, and all the reasons I mentioned before, especcially the comment
from "Teteros".

Different TU's accept AUR requests, and respond differently to requests
such as "Yo I got this my dude".

Anyway please take a deep breath, calm down and refrain from
re-iterating already mentioned statements. If you don't calm down, I
will moderate you here, since this discussion is not going anywhere.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
This all in all, is completely unprofessional, and for some of you to judge
me and my actions...maybe you all should look at yourselfs before even
considering judging me.

It's hard not to judge if you keep making/re-iterating the topic instead
of calming down. And asking in a friendly manner if your account can be
activated again.

--
Jelle van der Waa

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 08:01:14 UTC

The whole issue, is that the supposed reason wasn't given until I started
this discussion, not when I made the request, which is when it should have
intially been stated. Instead of a reason being stated for the denied
request, I was mocked and taunted to send another request, which I did.

Like I said, I flagged the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package out of date over half a
year ago, no one did anything with it, and that package was also the same
maintainer as "sdl2-hg". Meaning, any packages that person maintains
technically, is no longer maintained. On account for all the other reasons
mentioned previously, especially "Teteros" commenting, and no response for
over two weeks.

I had like 10 cups of coffee today, and its almost 7AM here. I really have
nothing against any of you, and have no hard feelings. Everything is all
good. I'm going to go lay down.

Carsten Teibes

2018-11-04 12:24:06 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
[…]
Like I said, I flagged the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package out of date over half a
year ago, no one did anything with it, and that package was also the same
maintainer as "sdl2-hg".

I never received a mail from you and the last and only out-of-date
message I received before this was "PKGBUILD needs updated". Not really
helpful in my opinion. Also, simply overwriting my PKGBUILD with the one
from the repository (like you suggested) does not work. Anyway, since
you really want to maintain it, I orphaned it now. So, after the ban is
lifted, you may do as you please.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
Meaning, any packages that person maintains
technically, is no longer maintained.

While I do not think this is true, because I still have updated others
in the meanwhile, maybe is a good time to send some orphan requests, so
I can get rid of them.
Btw. I have made changes to, like, 400 PKGBUILDs in the AUR over the
last 8 years, I test my packages in clean chroots and (lib32-)sdl2-hg
have always built there fine. I may not be the best maintainer, but
there are certainly worse.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
On account for all the other reasons
mentioned previously, especially "Teteros" commenting, and no response for
over two weeks.

I still believe selecting the wrong branch was either a user or server
configuration issue, since my test showed it cloned the correct branch
here. Anyway, yes, I did not react on that. I see you have fixed that
now as well (applying the suggested change by Teteros).

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I had like 10 cups of coffee today, and its almost 7AM here. I really have
nothing against any of you, and have no hard feelings. Everything is all
good. I'm going to go lay down.

No hard feelings here as well. Just a friendly advice: There may be
times where you cannot (or do not want to) correspond to every request
made on every platform where you are active. For me it was this time
that we were in the middle of release preparations of a project I am
maintaining on GitHub, so there was little time to spend on AUR.
It may happen to you in the future and maybe someone wants to take over
one of your packages then. ;)

best regards,
carstene1ns

Robin Broda via aur-general

2018-11-04 12:45:26 UTC

Post by Jelle van der Waa

Different TU's accept AUR requests, and respond differently to requests
such as "Yo I got this my dude".

For the record, that first request went through automatically.

--
Rob (coderobe)

O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 09:43:14 UTC

Oh hey carstene1ns, glad you can join. Haven't heard from you in a while.

Regardless of if you received the email or not, this does NOT cover up all
the other issues present here. And yes, I also did send you that email as
well, which you felt wasn't important enough to respond back to, further
making matters here worse. This still does not justifying anything that has
happened here, only showing the fact you didn't respond to my email. I know
people will have very busy times in their lives, but not being able to
respond back to an email?

So even if you received that other email, I guess it wouldnt of mattered
much huh? Since you wouldnt of responded back to that one either.

During that time of you being missing in action for that package, I also
edited the PKGBUILD to compile successfully for yamagi-quake2-git. Even if
"lib32-sdl2-hg" compiled successfully for you, that doesn't mean it does
for everyone else, especially since lib32-tslib is required, and wasn't in
the "makedepends".

AGAIN, who cares if the first request went through automatically, this DOES
NOT cover up how you handled the situation. You responding the way you did,
only incited me to think you were joking around. Like I said before, dont
be a hypocrite. If you wanted to be taken more seriously, and have the
whole situation taken more seriously, dont respond to me by mocking and
taunting me. All of this could have been handled in a civil manner if you
didn't instigate the situation, and just simply gave me a warning me of my
behavior.

So instead of you all continuing to trying tow justify yourselfs and make
me look like this is all my fault and judging me, go look at yourselfs
before you EVEN judge me.

shoober420 via aur-general

2018-11-04 09:52:50 UTC

Oh, Mr. Elendig, with such a wise comment about memes. You want to hear
something?

With all this continued blame in my direction, how about i just INSTALL
GENTOO.

This is seriously absolutely ridiculous, and you all need to back off me,
and go look at yourselfs in the mirror for a good long time.

Jelle van der Waa

2018-11-04 13:54:22 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
Oh, Mr. Elendig, with such a wise comment about memes. You want to hear
something?
With all this continued blame in my direction, how about i just INSTALL
GENTOO.
This is seriously absolutely ridiculous, and you all need to back off me,
and go look at yourselfs in the mirror for a good long time.

I've warned you before, that if you continue to re-iterate you will be
moderated. That happened now, please cool down, no one benefits from
this drama.

--
Jelle van der Waa

Eli Schwartz via aur-general

2018-11-04 03:13:37 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam.
Hereâs a fine example.
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863
This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and
debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this
community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of
all the supposed bad things Iâve done.

Luckily, since your bug report to ValveSoftware was more descriptive
than "Yo there's an error my dude", people were able to deduce what you
meant.

I encourage you to be as descriptive when submitting orphan requests on
the AUR... that way we won't have to reject them and give you a
temporary suspension in the process.

--
Eli Schwartz
Bug Wrangler and Trusted User

Ian Douglas Scott

2018-11-04 03:09:34 UTC

Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 19:49:53)

Regardless of my past, I still havenât been given a reason to being
rejected for maintaining âsdl2-hgâ, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload.
I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by
misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums
were misunderstandings as well.

I'm not a TU, but looking at the aur-requests archieves, "Yo I got this
my dude." doesn't really explain why the package should be orphaned. You
should probally mention that there's an issue with the package, and you
have a better PKGBUILD.

Based on the policies of the AUR, you are supposed to try to contact the
package maintainer first. Given you commented and flagged the package
out of date just a couple days ago, you should probably wait a while
before filing an orphan request.

Robin Broda via aur-general

2018-11-04 03:14:25 UTC

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the
suspension.

Consider me closing all your other open requests as the warning,
and you opening a new request with an even worse comment as you
- deliberately or not - overstaying your welcome in that regard.

I'm not gonna revoke the suspension early,
you'll have to sit that one out.

Post by shoober420 via aur-general
I love Arch, and do a lot for this community.
You should concentrate on all the good I have done,
instead of all the supposed bad things Iâve done.

- No matter how important you think you are.

--
Rob (coderobe)

O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org

Deon Spengler via aur-general

2018-11-04 12:14:15 UTC